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<parsa> can you post the cmake error log?
<parsa> oh that is the error log
<hkaiser> that is the error log
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<hkaiser> parsa[w]: if I setthe blaze_DIR it does work now
<K-ballo> all actions are derived from hpx::actions::basic_action, correct?
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<hkaiser> K-ballo: think so, yes
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<github> [hpx] StellarBot pushed 1 new commit to gh-pages: https://git.io/vdddt
<github> hpx/gh-pages edf22b3 StellarBot: Updating docs
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<github> [hpx] hkaiser pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdFmf
<github> hpx/master a7c673b Hartmut Kaiser: Merge pull request #2966 from STEllAR-GROUP/fixing_2959...
<msimberg> hkaiser: is there a github issue or test case for the hangup problem we discussed yesterday? #2955 seems related but is short on details...
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<msimberg> also, still wanted to ask about the idle backoff: the wait_count_ is only incremented by one each time, and is used directly for the wait time, so it's not really exponential back-off is it? or am I still misunderstanding how/where that is happening?
<hkaiser> msimberg: I don't think there is a ticket, but there is a test case, hold on
<heller> which hangup problem?
<hkaiser> the throttle stuff
<msimberg> the one I'm supposed to fix...
<hkaiser> currently commented out ;)
<heller> ahhh ;)
<heller> yes, instead of removing the PUs there, you should really just suspend them
<hkaiser> or fix the shutdown
<msimberg> or both?
<hkaiser> or both
<msimberg> I suppose this os_threads_count + 1 would also be wrong when there's oversubscription or if the scheduler does not have do_background_work set...
<msimberg> anyway, thanks for the test case!
<msimberg> but any comment on the idle back-off?
<heller> if there is not background thread, it is fine
<heller> because we have the greater then condition
<heller> the deadlock termination doesn't even kick in when you observe the problem
<heller> msimberg: idle back off: yes, you might be right
<msimberg> heller: let's say you have no background threads, then you could exit the loop while you still have "real" hpx threads running? that's not a problem?
<heller> errm
<heller> yes
<heller> but it doesn't lead to a hang :P
<msimberg> right :)
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<msimberg> the check needs to be changed anyway, I suppose you're looking into it as well?
<heller> not right now
<msimberg> good, then I'
<msimberg> ll see how far I get
<heller> it's amazing how many "move after use" clang-tidy is able to find
<hkaiser> heller: in hpx?
<heller> hkaiser: yes
<hkaiser> will you fix those?
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<heller> hkaiser: on it, yes
<hkaiser> cool
<hkaiser> heller: we should add this test to the clang-tidy pass on circleci
<heller> hkaiser: that's the plan, yes
<hkaiser> nod
<diehlpk_work> hkaiser, What would be a good cs journal for a paper about the peridynamicHPX code?
<pree> There's any plan to add vectorization support in HPX in future ?
<heller> pree: no. because that's already done ;)
<pree> heller : Oh Sorry I didn't notice that : )
<pree> Thanks
<heller> pree: it's done with the help of the Vc library
<pree> nice
<pree> heller : Thanks for the hint
<hkaiser> diehlpk_work: uhh
<hkaiser> I'm usually not uptodate with conferences
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<parsa[w]> hkaiser: i bypassed that circleci error. can we merge now?
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: let's get circleci fixed as well
<parsa[w]> i did
<parsa[w]> i told it to use the source directly
<aserio> hkaiser: Good Morning
<hkaiser> hey aserio
<hkaiser> aserio will you join?
<aserio> hkaiser: I am joining right now
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<zbyerly_> aserio, do you need me for the skype with jason?
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<aserio> zbyerly_: Well at the moment he isnt even on line.... :p
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<aserio> hkaiser: are you still looking at parsa[w] pull request?
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<zbyerly_> aserio, so what's the skype call with Jason about? should I be on it?
<aserio> zbyerly_: So I just called Jason about getting HPX into ADCIRC
<zbyerly_> what did he say?
<aserio> and we were wondering if you would be willing to work on getting HPX working with the ADCIRC CMake build system
<aserio> zbyerly_: He was just saying the same stuff as on the call
<aserio> So I asked if it were possible to break this down in smaller steps
<aserio> and I asked about the build system
<aserio> and then we came up with the request
<aserio> zbyerly_: so what do you think?
<zbyerly_> idk, why wasn't I on the call?
<aserio> Because I wanted to have a one on one talk with Jason, I figured he would feel less pressured to commit to what was being said
<zbyerly_> aserio, i don't understand what you mean at all
<aserio> zbyerly_: which part?
<zbyerly_> why wouldn't jason and I just talk directly and decide what to do?
<zbyerly_> and what is Jason committing to?
<aserio> Because it is less about the engineering and more about planting the seed
<aserio> I wasn't sure what he would be committing to
<aserio> that's why I asked to call him just to chat
<zbyerly_> aserio, you didn't want to talk to me first about it?
<zbyerly_> like "hey, what have you and Jason talked about doing wrt HPX and ADCIRC?"
<aserio> All you asked was did you need to be on it
<aserio> I can try to me more direct next time
<zbyerly_> aserio, let's talk about this in person on monday
<aserio> zbyerly_: Can do
<aserio> parsa[w]: have you built Blaze on Rostam?
<parsa[w]> no, why? i don't even need to build it btw
<parsa[w]> it's a header file library
<aserio> I am trying to figure out where to point cmake
<zao> Build as in run tests and stuff?
<zao> (and install)
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<aserio> zao: yea, I mistyped. I meant did he build his branch of Phylanx on Rostam
<aserio> I needed to know where to point to Blaze
<aserio> and he kindly pointed me to the module
<zao> Ah.
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<zao> Makes more sense then.
<aserio> Yea I have heard that it is a header only library
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<hkaiser> aserio: btw, now with if being available you could implement fibonacci as an example (for instance: https://gist.github.com/hkaiser/02578a4520315ea3a4447d1c597c75a1)
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<hkaiser> aserio: doesn't even need the inner block(), pls refresh
<aserio> hkaiser: wow thats super simple
<hkaiser> will be interesting to see whether I got the recursion right ;) might not work actually - heh
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<hkaiser> aserio: why was #71 merged? circleci did pass yet?
<aserio> I only saw the HPX problems
<hkaiser> ahh, ok - fine then
<aserio> ie. mask affinity
<aserio> It compiled and ran all tests on Rostam
<aserio> and it is passing AppVevor
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<hkaiser> aserio: nod, thanks
<aserio> hkaiser: see pm
<hkaiser> aserio: parsa[w] is happy now, I hope ;)
<aserio> lol he did seem relieved
<hkaiser> :D
<hkaiser> this was a necessary excercise
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: can we now remove the PHYLANX_SKIP_BLAZE_CHECK hack?
<hkaiser> (that was what I wanted you to do still before merging #71)
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: i don't know. i used undocumented vcpkg variables
<parsa[w]> to resolve the address
<hkaiser> there is a documented way of doing the same, hold on
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: if(VCPKG_TOOLCHAIN) ... endif()
<parsa[w]> how does that tell me where to look?
<hkaiser> ahh ok, sec
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<hkaiser> parsa[w]: don't you have CMKAE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE?
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: only in the first run
<hkaiser> no, it's in the cmake cache
<hkaiser> isn't it?
<parsa[w]> it gets removed
<parsa[w]> unset*
<hkaiser> hmm, not for me
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: anyways - why do we need two options blaze_INCLUDE_DIR and the special handling for vcpkg
<parsa[w]> blaze_INCLUDE_DIR is for when Blaze is installed in a unusual place
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<parsa[w]> vcpkg handling is because if cmake shouldn't fail even though the library is available to any program that tries to use it
<parsa[w]> :s/if/
<hkaiser> hmm
<hkaiser> let's at least remove that hack
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: also, please use phylanx_info() instead of message()
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<heller> K-ballo: what does std::array<Foo, 2>({Foo(), Foo()}) do?
<K-ballo> uh...
<K-ballo> creates an unnamed temporary of type array<Foo, 2>, initialized with two default constructed elements
<K-ballo> or rather a prvalue (thus not a temporary in C++17, at least in isolation)
<heller> hmm
<heller> I have a strange case that only the first element is being initialized
<heller> with clang 5.5 and C++17
<heller> 5.0.0
<heller> that would only mean that operator, kicks in somehow, no?
<K-ballo> not within braces, that's not an operator
<K-ballo> is your strange case exactly like that? is there something on the other end of it?
<heller> hmmm
<heller> it is called in a ctor initializer
<heller> Bar() : array_({Foo(), Foo()}) {}
<heller> where array_ is std::array<Foo, 2>
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<K-ballo> I'm surprised that even compiles in that context
<K-ballo> there it is constructing the first member of the array from `Foo(), Foo()` ?
<K-ballo> aggregates in base-mem-init-lists took braces last I checked, granted that was a few years ago
<heller> it does compile indeed, with a warning, wonder why I didn't get it
<heller> this doesn't reproduce the error ....
<K-ballo> needs a bunch more braces?
<heller> goes so
<heller> so what does the code I posted mean?
<K-ballo> aggregate-initialize `array_` from these two `Foo()`s, apparently
<heller> hmm
<heller> and no operator, could ever kick in, right?
<heller> something very odd is happening then
<K-ballo> not in that context, no
<K-ballo> you'd need parens inside the braces for the comma to be operator
<github> [hpx] khuck pushed 1 new commit to parcel_coalescing_apex_policy: https://git.io/vdFNC
<github> hpx/parcel_coalescing_apex_policy 6b51438 Kevin Huck: Merge branch 'master' into parcel_coalescing_apex_policy
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<zao> Interestingly, matlab defines dot products of matrices as being along a particular dimension, resulting in a set of results.
<zao> This code seems to do a reshape and a dot, right?
<zao> That's an odd choice of implementation :)
<zao> Actually, I don't quite follow what it does at all, as it seems to require RHS to be 1D and have a dimension matching the second of the left?
<parsa[w]> there is such a thing as matrix dot product: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_product#Dyadics_and_matrices but it's uncommon and i had never seen it before
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<jbjnr> hkaiser: K-ballo any advice on where I should look to see if I can make progress on my strange compiler error - I am using dataflow - so I'm not convinced there's anything 'pulling it in by accident'.
<K-ballo> jbjnr: no, it's not any one isolated issue, it's a chain of implicit instantiations caused by faux deduced return types
<K-ballo> that chain is recursive, so it ends up hitting an "incomplete" type (depending on where the instantiation chain starts)
<K-ballo> we need to clean up all of dataflow, unwraped, the pack traversal stuff, and one or more of the executors
<K-ballo> I'm currently fighting dataflow
<jbjnr> the main symptom I'm seeing though is that my continuation is called with 2 args, when I only expect one.
<jbjnr> and the types are rather strange - but the continuations themselves actually compile and run fine
<K-ballo> it's not actually called with 2 args
<K-ballo> the code is just asking whether the thing may be called with 2 args, somewhere in all the deduced return types metaprogramming
<jbjnr> I print out the Ts... inside the continuation and there are two of them!
<K-ballo> (or maybe it is, I haven't looked in detail at your particular case, but the other two like it aren't)
<K-ballo> you print out? so you are actually called?
<K-ballo> as in, executed at runtime
<K-ballo> that's not what I see locally, but I did have to fix some errors in your branch first
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<jbjnr> K-ballo: at the end of this gist are the twpes my continuation is called with tps://gist.github.com/biddisco/e65f669d735f308251c826f4eebf21cb the first two calls are fine and show tha rgs as expected, the thrid is with a continuation and I expect a double or a future/double, but I get two args where the first is most unusual
<jbjnr> sorry keypad munging
<K-ballo> no idea, that's not what I see locally, here it doesn't run, it doesn't even compile
<jbjnr> when I comment out one of my tamplate calls, the code runs and I get the output above. when I kleave it in, I get silly compiler errors, but the
<K-ballo> make the instantiation with more than one argument fail so that you get an instantiation trace?
<jbjnr> yeah -it does not compile unless the call to numa_function(ts...) is commented out
<jbjnr> but that should not affect the 'other' function ;)
<K-ballo> ah, yeah, that's the one that fails currently
<K-ballo> I thought *that* was the issue
<jbjnr> yes - the fact that it sdoes not coile is my problem, but trying to find out why it doesn't compile, I comment it out, but print the ts... args in the other part of the function that is actually executed
<jbjnr> and that shows the args are silly, and that's why it doesn't compile - and yet it does compile -and run - for the continuation itself.
<jbjnr> it's weird to me.
<jbjnr> what bugs did you fix in my branch?
<K-ballo> two or three extra `template <>`, and an issue with hpx::get_config_entry in some convoluted defaulted arguments that might well have been an msvc bug
<K-ballo> msvc kept saying get_config_entry could not be found in the global namespace, despite the hpx::
<jbjnr> ok, the template<> I knew about - but I thought they were allowed
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<jbjnr> is the get_config_entry patch in any branch?
<K-ballo> not a real fix, but just a quick workaround to get the rest moving: https://github.com/K-ballo/hpx/commit/7905995a79e4b53b2e14a3940a677a0725b79e05
<K-ballo> I imagine the safest patch would be to define a helper static function and default the arguments using that
<K-ballo> static size_t get_config_entry_or(...)
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<jbjnr> ta
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: yah, that's because a transposed vector is stored in a matrix
<zao> so it's dot(1xN, N)?
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<parsa[w]> that makes a bit more sense
<hkaiser> nice
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: should i put a temporary implementation in its place or should i disable it?
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: det()?
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<parsa[w]> yeah
<hkaiser> it should work for doubles
<parsa[w]> it doesn't
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<hkaiser> your ticket is for a Vector<int>
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<hkaiser> aserio: yt?
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: it's for a Matrix<int>. Same thing happens with doubles.
<hkaiser> doesn't make sense as he's listing the missing functions for double* as being available
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: i'm lost. i need det in phylanx::execution_tree::primitives::determinant and it doesn't work
<aserio> hkaiser: yes
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: the compiler error you added to the blaze ticket says that it's missing getrf() for int* but it has getrf() defined for complex<double>, complex<float>, double, and float
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: so I conclude that if matrix<double>.det() doesn't compile - it can't be the same problem
<hkaiser> aserio: thanks for the latest fix to if_conditional - one question, though
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<hkaiser> aserio: why did you name the implementation class 'loop'?
<aserio> hkaiser: because it is the if loop
<aserio> and the loop contains the body
<hkaiser> what is a "if loop"?
<aserio> idk I was making crap up
<hkaiser> lol
<aserio> I just didnt want to use iteration
<hkaiser> it isn't an iteration either
<hkaiser> isn't it a if_conditional?
<hkaiser> or just if_?
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<aserio> I can change it to either
<aserio> hkaiser: what would you prefer
<hkaiser> shrug, just wondering
<hkaiser> if somebody will read the code 'loop' might cause confusion - that's all
<aserio> no, its not a problem
<aserio> what makes the most sense
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<aserio> hkaiser: was the shared pointer stuff right?
<hkaiser> aserio: yes
<aserio> \o/
<hkaiser> :D
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: you were right, the error is not the same with doubles. it still fails though. i updated the page: https://bitbucket.org/blaze-lib/blaze/issues/136/det-calls-throw-non-blas-compatible-type
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<hkaiser> parsa: you need to have a BLAS library installed (MKL or similar)
<hkaiser> do you hav ethat?
<hkaiser> openblas (in vcpkg should do the trick as well)
<parsa[w]> one of the three machines (machine C in that issue) did have OpenBLAS. yes it failed
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<hkaiser> dgetrf is a BLAS function - so something is not quite right with the blaze installation
<parsa[w]> also why should it offer determinant calculation for BLAS only if i can choose the C++11 backend instead of BLAS?
<hkaiser> that's unrelated
<hkaiser> I think this tells us that our cmake script is by far not done yet ;)
<aserio> hkaiser: when you are building in Windows do you set the architecture to x64 if you have a 64 bit version of Windows
<hkaiser> yah, you should always build x64 only
<zao> hkaiser doesn't care for us 32-bit suckers :P
<K-ballo> what do you mean "*if* you have a 64 bit version of Windows" ?!
<zao> ARM64, IA64 or AMD64? :)
<hkaiser> aserio: see pm, pls
<aserio> zao: Intel i7
<hkaiser> aserio: nowadays nobody uses 32bit windows anymore
<zao> The default should be x64, if you're unsure. There's legitimate reasons to run 32-bit code even today, but HPX won't work well there.
<hkaiser> zao: it's a limitation in windows, not in hpx
<zao> Limitations there may be, but HPX kind of rots easily on platforms where integer sizes change.
<hkaiser> right
<hkaiser> all soaftware rots... eventually
<K-ballo> integer sizes change?
<zao> size_t in particular.
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<zao> Reasonably common for code that's written 64-first to interchangeably use it around 64-bit integers.
<zao> Infinite number of size warnings in 32-bit builds.
<K-ballo> ah yes, indeed
<K-ballo> my very first experience with HPX was seeing thousand of 32bit warnings
<K-ballo> gave me pause
<hkaiser> I thought we fixed those
<aserio> I was just confused about the x86 vs x64 thing
<hkaiser> have not compiled for 32 bits in a while...
<aserio> hkaiser: bike shedding issue complete
<hkaiser> aserio: thanks ;)
<K-ballo> 32bit windows configuration should raise an error and ask the user to opt-in to continue
<aserio> hkaiser: I still can't get the last generate tree test to work
<hkaiser> k
<aserio> hkaiser: I am either missing something very simple or their is something wrong
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<parsa[w]> hkaiser: i don't see how installing OpenBLAS with Vcpkg helped. i'm obviously still getting linking errors because how is MSVC supposed to know it should look for BLAS
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: that's what I meant by ' I think this tells us that our cmake script is by far not done yet'
<parsa[w]> what does this have to do with "our" cmake script?
<parsa[w]> i'm not supposed to install Blaze for people
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: also this means you're officially adding lapack and blas as dependencies to the project
<K-ballo> darn! why doesn't C2 work with HPX?
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<zao> vsclang thing?
<K-ballo> yeah.. wanted a second opinion
<github> [hpx] khuck pushed 1 new commit to parcel_coalescing_apex_policy: https://git.io/vdbcI
<github> hpx/parcel_coalescing_apex_policy 5a8d902 Kevin Huck: Changing parcel coalescing policy from periodic to a custom event.
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: we need to make it work, no?
<hkaiser> parsa[w]: the blaze cmake script is supposed to find a blas library and if none is found it should fall back to som einternal implementation
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: yes, but is it really a minor change?
<hkaiser> shrug, it has to work in the end
<parsa[w]> hkaiser: if it doesn't find some BLAS implementation phylanx won't build
<github> [hpx] khuck pushed 1 new commit to parcel_coalescing_apex_policy: https://git.io/vdbc7
<github> hpx/parcel_coalescing_apex_policy cb1c01a Kevin Huck: Changing from v1.2 to develop of apex.
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<hkaiser> parsa[w]: blaze is supposed to work without any external blas implementation
<parsa[w]> what do you mean? that's why i created that issue. that's what we've been talking about this whole time
<hkaiser> ok
<hkaiser> it was not quite clear from the ticket
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<hkaiser> errm, did we fix that, really?
<hkaiser> worth a try
<K-ballo> the issue is closed, at least
<hkaiser> right
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